Are brain waves the next unlock for physical AI?

The frontier of physical AI is a Jenga game in a warehouse in San Leandro, California.

That warehouse is occupied by Encord , a company that builds data tooling used to train AI models. Andrew Ceja is a pilot — the company’s term for its robotic trainers — and he’s carefully pulling wooden blocks from a tottering tower while wearing a headset with a camera that tracks what he sees. That alone is fairly common for collecting robot training data, but this headset includes sensors that measure his brain waves as he carefully disassembles the block tower.

Encord is one of a growing number of startups betting the next real constraint on humanoid and warehouse will be the scarcity of real-world physical training data, and which is building a business not just to manage that data but to manufacture it.

The brain wave headset Ceja is wearing was built by Zander Labs , a German neuroscience startup that’s betting measuring brain activity — to deduce mental states like error, intent, and surprise — can create a more useful dataset to train models. Encord’s work with Zander is currently a trial run; Encord says the goal is to build an initial brain wave-tagged dataset, run it through customer robotics models, and evaluate if it actually improves performance before deciding whether to scale it up.

Lukas Gehrke, a Zander neuroscientist supervising the work, says that the amount of brain activity used at any point during a given task offers clues for model builders trying to figure out when they need to deploy their highest-effort models.

This is the “bleeding edge” of the effort to solve the robotics data bottleneck, according to Vineeth Velmurugan, Encord’s head of robot learning. A veteran of OpenAI’s robot lab and Berkshire Grey, the warehouse automation firm, Velmurugan joined Encord to build the company’s internal data-creation team.

Encord was founded to help companies building machine-vision applications annotate data and evaluate models. As their customers — Velmurugan says they work with many leading robotics firms but that he’s not authorized to name them — began to apply end-to-end learning to robotic manipulation tasks, executives realized they would have to produce training data themselves, rather than simply manage it. “The data simply does not exist,” Velmurugan said.

The bet that generative AI can do for robots what it’s done for chatbots keeps running into this same wall. Self-driving car companies collect physical-world data themselves, but that’s hard to scale. Training from video can work, but it lacks the fidelity of real-world data. Velmurugan says it will take a dataset something like five times the size of YouTube’s video corpus to break through — a scale that helps explain why data-generation itself has become a business and not just a research problem.

Feed your egocentric data needs

Companies building robot brains are now turning to two main sources: “egocentric” video collected by workers wearing cameras, often augmented with additional camera angles and other metrics, and data from robots operated remotely. Encord does both, drawing egocentric data from several factories around the globe, and using its San Leandro facility to experiment with new modalities, like brain waves, or collect datasets around specific skills for fine-tuning.

When TechCrunch visited, pilots were using leader-follower rigs — paired robotic arms, one controlled directly by a human operator and one that mimics its movements — to create data about tasks like pouring coffee from a pot into mugs (very sloshy) and stacking poker chips. “Every humanoid company has asked us for these pieces,” Velmurugan says.

Storage racks held cartons of fake flowers in vases, books, plastic vegetables, kitty litter trays and scoops, bags and bundles of wires — the stock in trade for training manipulators for household tasks.

At one of these stations, another pilot, Sofia Infante, maneuvers robotic arms to plug and unplug ethernet cables from the back of a server — the kind of work data center operators would love to be automated, if only robots could manipulate them with the required precision. Taking a spin behind the controls, I was able to see why that’s still out of reach: Pincers are far less dexterous than human fingers and lack the degrees of freedom we take for granted in our arms.

Another new data modality that Encord is developing uses a set of sensors strapped to the forearm to detect electrical signals in muscles. Video taken of human hands manipulating objects typically doesn’t capture the entire hand, but Velmurugan hopes to build a 3D depiction of where the hand is at any time based on the arm sensors, creating a more robust understanding for models.

Encord’s datasets are annotated with physical descriptions of what each video contains — “right hand tightens bolt” — to aid LLM-based models in understanding what is happening. Velmurugan estimates this kind of dense annotation is worth 100 times as much as “junky ego data” for training specific tasks, and it only costs 20 times more to produce, which is a good trade, on paper.

But “20 times more” is still real money, and that’s the catch: Scraping text off the internet, the way LLM makers built their models by pulling from Stack Overflow and the rest of the web, cost frontier labs next to nothing. Generating physical training data does not, and that’s the limit of the physical-AI-as-LLM comparison. This kind of data has to be manufactured, not just collected, and that changes the economics of building these models.

Velmurugan says that progress is being made — with Encord’s visibility into programs across the industry, he’s able to see startups and frontier labs alike figure out what works and what doesn’t to improve physical AI models. That vantage point — sitting between many robotics companies at once — is also part of Encord’s pitch. It can spot which data techniques are gaining traction industrywide before any single customer can.

That will keep the dozen or so pilots at Encord’s facility busy. Both Infante and Ceja are part of a burgeoning workforce developing the building blocks for neural networks; they previously worked at Scale, another AI data annotation firm, before joining Encord.

Ceja had worked at a waste management company where his interest in technology found him in charge of keeping a robotic trash sorter in good working order. Now, as the Jenga tower topples, he says he enjoys the challenge of solving training tasks for robots — “It’s something new every day!”

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